{"id":3855,"date":"2025-12-05T21:25:51","date_gmt":"2025-12-05T20:25:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.talentdrama.cz\/?page_id=3855"},"modified":"2026-06-14T22:02:53","modified_gmt":"2026-06-14T20:02:53","slug":"zazraky-patecnich-veceru-tema-dialogicke-jednani-2-cast","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.talentdrama.cz\/en\/zazraky-patecnich-veceru-tema-dialogicke-jednani-2-cast\/","title":{"rendered":"Z\u00e1zraky p\u00e1te\u010dn\u00edch ve\u010der\u016f: T\u00c9MA DIALOGICK\u00c9 JEDN\u00c1N\u00cd \/ 2. \u010c\u00c1ST"},"content":{"rendered":"

Pokra\u010dujeme ve spole\u010dn\u00e9m pov\u00edd\u00e1n\u00ed Hany Sr\u0161\u0148ov\u00e9 a Eriky Merjav\u00e9 u spole\u010dn\u00e9ho stolu. V z\u00e1\u0159ijov\u00e9m \u010d\u00edsle jsme se bavili o Dialogick\u00e9m jedn\u00e1n\u00ed, jakou roli v n\u011bm hraje pr\u00e1zdn\u00fd prostor, vst\u0159\u00edcn\u00e1 ve\u0159ejnost a vnit\u0159n\u00ed partner. V tomto \u010d\u00edsle v\u00e1m p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00edme pokra\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed rozhovoru, jak\u00fd m\u00e1 Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed re\u00e1ln\u00fd dopad na \u010dlov\u011bka. A co znamen\u00e1 hlas a slovo.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

HLAS A SLOVO ODKAZUJE K N\u00c1M A VEDE N\u00c1S D\u00c1L<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jakou roli hraje v Dialogick\u00e9m jedn\u00e1n\u00ed hlas?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed nen\u00ed jen discipl\u00edna, cvi\u010den\u00ed, ale zrcadlo \u010dlov\u011bka. Odkazuje n\u00e1s k sob\u011b.  Proto je tak zaj\u00edmav\u00e9… Pokud jde o hlas, hlas udr\u017euje nap\u011bt\u00ed. Propojuje cel\u00e9 na\u0161e t\u011blo a jde d\u00e1l. Ukazuje n\u00e1m nejen kdo jsme, ale odkazuje n\u00e1s na dal\u0161\u00ed mo\u017enosti, k\u00fdm m\u016f\u017eeme b\u00fdt. Slab\u00fdm hlasem a \u0161ept\u00e1n\u00edm si nap\u011bt\u00ed neudr\u017e\u00edme, neudr\u017e\u00edme pozornost. Kles\u00e1me s energi\u00ed, p\u0159est\u00e1v\u00e1me se sly\u0161et a nebav\u00ed n\u00e1s to. Proto\u017ee nesly\u0161\u00edme zp\u011btnou vazbu, nesly\u0161\u00edme se. Jako kdyby n\u011bkdo na n\u00e1s mluvil potichu. Taky n\u00e1s to p\u0159est\u00e1v\u00e1 bavit. Kdy\u017e jsme moc potichu, nebav\u00edme sami sebe, proto\u017ee se nesly\u0161\u00edme, nic se od sebe nedozv\u00edme. Mus\u00edme se usly\u0161et, abychom mohli odpov\u011bd\u011bt. V Dialogick\u00e9m jedn\u00e1n\u00ed se v\u011bci dozv\u00edd\u00e1me sami od sebe. Proto\u017ee t\u00edm druh\u00fdm, jsme po\u0159\u00e1d jenom my sami. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Co kdy\u017e je hlas naopak moc siln\u00fd?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Taky chyb\u00ed zp\u011btn\u00e1 vazba. Kdy\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk k\u0159i\u010d\u00ed, nesly\u0161\u00ed druh\u00e9ho. K\u0159ik je monolog. Lid\u00e9 se h\u00e1daj\u00ed, k\u0159i\u010d\u00ed, p\u0159est\u00e1vaj\u00ed si naslouchat. Stejn\u00e9 je to v Dialogick\u00e9m jedn\u00e1n\u00ed. Kdy\u017e n\u011bkdo p\u0159ek\u0159i\u010d\u00ed prostor, i s\u00e1m sebe, ztr\u00e1c\u00ed kontakt. I hlas je pot\u0159eba ladit, v prostoru, sami se sebou, i partnerem. U\u010dit se komunikovat se sebou i s ostatn\u00edmi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pro\u010d je dobr\u00e9 ps\u00e1t si reflexe po Dialogick\u00e9ho jedn\u00e1n\u00ed? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u010clov\u011bk si psan\u00edm v\u011bci zv\u011bdomuje. A kdy\u017e se k nim zp\u011btn\u011b vrac\u00ed, vid\u00ed sv\u016fj posun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tak\u017ee i slovo je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Vysko\u010dil \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee kdy\u017e se n\u011bco nepojmenuje, jako by to \u201eneplatilo\u201c. Z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1 to nev\u011bdom\u00e9, nerozpoznan\u00e9. Slovo je forma, kter\u00e1 my\u0161lenku zkonkretizuje. <\/strong>Slovo zasazuje my\u0161lenku do tvaru, formy, a m\u016f\u017ee na n\u00ed nav\u00e1zat, d\u00e1l ji rozv\u00edjet. Slovo je krok k pochopen\u00ed, k vytvo\u0159en\u00ed zp\u011btn\u00e9 vazby. Kdy\u017e n\u011bco vyslov\u00ed\u0161, zv\u011bdom\u00ed\u0161 si to. M\u016f\u017ee\u0161 se ke slovu odk\u00e1zat, vymezit, nav\u00e1zat a rozvinout ho, vytvo\u0159it vztah.  Je to jako se psan\u00edm. Dokud je p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh v mysli, nem\u00e1 formu. Teprve slovem se konkretizuje a vytv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh, n\u011bco sd\u011bliteln\u00e9ho. M\u016f\u017ee\u0161 ho \u010d\u00edst, vid\u011bt za t\u00edm obrazy, dotknout se osud\u016f a d\u00e1l ho rozv\u00edjet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

M\u016f\u017ee n\u011bkdy slovo i p\u0159ek\u00e1\u017eet? Kdy\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk mluv\u00ed moc a slovo u\u017e nevn\u00edm\u00e1?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ano. Lid\u00e9 \u010dasto mluv\u00ed, aby p\u0159ekryli strach nebo pr\u00e1zdnotu. D\u011bti p\u0159i improvizac\u00edch miluj\u00ed slova, mluv\u00ed bez p\u0159est\u00e1n\u00ed, proto\u017ee za slova se lehce schovaj\u00ed. Jen\u017ee slov\u016fm \u010dasto chyb\u00ed obsah, situace, jedn\u00e1n\u00ed. Duch, kter\u00fd napl\u0148uje slovo obsahem. <\/strong>Forma bez obsahu je pr\u00e1zdn\u00e1. Duch je to, co textu nebo jedn\u00e1n\u00ed d\u00e1v\u00e1 \u017eivot. Kdy\u017e chyb\u00ed obsah, jsou to jen slova \u2013 zvuk beze smyslu. Aby se forma naplnila obsahem, \u010dlov\u011bk mus\u00ed otev\u0159\u00edt pro slovo prostor \u2013 ticho, zastaven\u00ed, naslouch\u00e1n\u00ed. \u010cas pro napln\u011bn\u00ed a zp\u011btnou vazbu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DIALOGICK\u00c9 JEDN\u00c1N\u00cd A AUTENTICITA<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jak se d\u00edv\u00e1\u0161 na experiment\u00e1ln\u00ed Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed? Kdy\u017e je v prostoru v\u00edc lid\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

To je ot\u00e1zka. Doc. Standa Suda d\u011bl\u00e1 experimenty s Dialogick\u00fdm jedn\u00e1n\u00edm ve dvojic\u00edch. To je u\u017e t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00ed, proto\u017ee m\u00e1m jak vnit\u0159n\u00edho partnera, tak mus\u00edm vn\u00edmat i vn\u011bj\u0161\u00edho partnera. Z\u016fst\u00e1vat v kontaktu se sebou, sv\u00fdm vnit\u0159n\u00edm partnerem, a z\u00e1rove\u0148 vn\u00edmat i vn\u011bj\u0161\u00edho partnera, co n\u00e1m vznik\u00e1 spole\u010dn\u00e9ho. To u\u017e je p\u0159esah do \u017eivota, kdy jsme nejenom sami se sebou, ale i s ostatn\u00edmi. Jak z\u016fstat autentick\u00fd, v\u011brn\u00fd s\u00e1m sob\u011b, v kontaktu s ostatn\u00edmi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kdy\u017e jsme na \u201cplace\u201d s n\u011bk\u00fdm jin\u00fdm, ztr\u00e1c\u00ed se na\u0161e komunikace s vnit\u0159n\u00edm partnerem?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sv\u00e9ho vnit\u0159n\u00edho partnera b\u011b\u017en\u011b nech\u00e1v\u00e1me skryt\u00e9ho. Je v na\u0161em vnit\u0159n\u00edm dialogu, ve vnit\u0159n\u00edch koment\u00e1\u0159\u00edch typu \u201eto jsem zkazila\u201c, \u201em\u00e1m strach\u201c, \u201ejsem trapn\u00fd\u201c, \u201cnand\u00e1m to\u201d. Na jevi\u0161ti, nebo p\u0159i ve\u0159ejn\u00fdch prezentac\u00edch, tento sv\u016fj vnit\u0159n\u00ed hlas nezve\u0159ej\u0148ujeme. Z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1 v na\u0161ich vnit\u0159n\u00edch tich\u00fdch hlasech. Je zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 se d\u00edvat nap\u0159\u00edklad na politiky, kdy\u017e mluv\u00ed na kameru a mimo ni. Jsou to jakoby jin\u00ed lid\u00e9. S maskou a bez n\u00ed. A v Dialogick\u00e9m jedn\u00e1n\u00ed se pr\u00e1v\u011b tyto vnit\u0159n\u00ed hlasy zve\u0159ej\u0148uj\u00ed, zv\u011bdomuj\u00ed, vnit\u0159n\u00ed i vn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed hlasy komunikuj\u00ed mezi sebou, \u010dlov\u011bk se st\u00e1v\u00e1 autentick\u00fd. Padaj\u00ed masky. T\u00edm se u\u010d\u00edme sami od sebe, \u017ee zve\u0159ej\u0148ujeme na\u0161e vnit\u0159n\u00ed hlasy, nebo aspo\u0148 jsme si jich v\u011bdomi.  A nejenom \u017ee se skrze n\u011b u\u010d\u00edme, ale vedou n\u00e1s hrou d\u00e1l. Tyto na\u0161e vnit\u0159n\u00ed hlasy, koment\u00e1\u0159e, pochybnosti se mohou st\u00e1t sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed hry. Vznik\u00e1 na\u0161e vlastn\u00ed dramatika, autentick\u00fd \u017eivot. Odehr\u00e1v\u00e1m si sv\u016fj vlastn\u00ed \u017eivotn\u00ed part v \u0161ir\u0161\u00edm kontextu… Tak se st\u00e1v\u00e1m autentickou bytost\u00ed. K\u00fdm jsem. Sly\u0161\u00edm sebe, sly\u0161\u00edm ostatn\u00ed. A mohu hrou v\u011bci d\u00e1l rozv\u00edjet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tak\u017ee, kdy\u017e se n\u011bkdo lekne nebo n\u011bco zapomene, m\u00e1 to vz\u00edt do hry?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

P\u0159esn\u011b tak. Bu\u010f je vezme do hry, nebo se lekne, uzav\u0159e a p\u0159eru\u0161\u00ed se tok hry. <\/strong>V divadle, kter\u00e9 stoj\u00ed na p\u0159esn\u011b nastudovan\u00e9m textu, by to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ne\u0161lo. Herec nem\u016f\u017ee \u0159\u00edct div\u00e1kovi: \u201eTak to jsem zkazila, poj\u010fme znovu.\u201c Ale v autorsk\u00e9m p\u0159edstaven\u00ed, m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt i tato mo\u017enost. Ale i u herce v nastudovan\u00fdch textech prob\u00edh\u00e1 vnit\u0159n\u00ed dialog, jen ho herec nezve\u0159ejn\u00ed. Proto je Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed tak jedine\u010dn\u00e9 ve studiu dramatiky a divadla a studuj\u00ed ho studenti na DAMU. Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed n\u00e1m umo\u017e\u0148uje skrze zv\u011bdom\u011bn\u00ed se o sob\u011b dozv\u00eddat nov\u00e9 v\u011bci, v dramatick\u00e9m procesu je vz\u00edt do hry a v autorsk\u00e9m p\u0159edstaven\u00ed, kter\u00e9 to dovoluje, s t\u00edm i p\u0159ed publikem pracovat. Pou\u017e\u00edt je jako materi\u00e1l. <\/strong>Kdy\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk zve\u0159ej\u0148uje vnit\u0159n\u00edho partnera, vznik\u00e1 toti\u017e lehkost, humor, svoboda. Jsme si s div\u00e1kem bl\u00ed\u017e, proto\u017ee to m\u00e1me v\u0161ichni. Pochybnosti, selh\u00e1n\u00ed, chyby, snahy b\u00fdt lep\u0161\u00ed. A kdy\u017e se to zve\u0159ejn\u00ed bez strachu ze selh\u00e1n\u00ed, vznik\u00e1 humor. Uvol\u0148uje se nap\u011bt\u00ed uvnit\u0159 \u010dlov\u011bka, i mezi hercem a div\u00e1kem. Je to terapeutick\u00e9. V\u0161ichni jsme tak trochu klauni. A zji\u0161\u0165ujeme, \u017ee v t\u011bch sv\u00fdch slabostech nejsme sami.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mysl\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee by se Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed m\u011blo u\u010dit na \u0161kol\u00e1ch? A kdyby ano \u2014 kdo by to mohl u\u010dit?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Co mysl\u00ed\u0161 ty?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ano. Pr\u00e1v\u011b ve \u0161koln\u00edm prost\u0159ed\u00ed by to bylo stra\u0161n\u011b pot\u0159ebn\u00e9. \u0160kola je \u010dasto zam\u011b\u0159en\u00e1 na v\u00fdkon, na v\u00fdsledky, na zn\u00e1mky. D\u011bti se po\u0159\u00e1d sna\u017e\u00ed \u201eusp\u011bt\u201c, ale m\u00e1lokdy maj\u00ed prostor b\u00fdt sami sebou. Kdyby m\u011bli hodinu, kde se mohou zastavit, d\u00fdchat, vn\u00edmat, kdo jsou. Kde je n\u011bkdo p\u0159ij\u00edm\u00e1 takov\u00e9, jac\u00ed jsou. Hrozn\u011b by jim to pomohlo. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee by pak i \u0161kolu vn\u00edmali jinak. Ale probl\u00e9m je, \u017ee to nem\u00e1 kdo u\u010dit. M\u00e1lo se o tom v\u00ed a m\u00e1lokdo s t\u00edm m\u00e1 osobn\u00ed zku\u0161enost.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Psychosomatika ve \u0161kol\u00e1ch chyb\u00ed. U\u010ditel\u00e9 i \u017e\u00e1ci jsou \u010dasto odpojeni. T\u011blo a du\u0161e se v sou\u010dasn\u00e9m mainstreamov\u00e9m vzd\u011bl\u00e1vac\u00edm syst\u00e9mu nepropojuj\u00ed. Pak se st\u00e1v\u00e1, \u017ee se \u017e\u00e1ci u\u010d\u00ed jen proto, \u017ee to chce autorita, pro zn\u00e1mku, b\u00fdt ohodnoceni, dos\u00e1hnout v\u00fdsledk\u016f. Ale chyb\u00ed tomu to nejd\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed: svobodn\u00e1 v\u016fle, osobn\u00ed odpov\u011bdnost, tvo\u0159ivost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Nav\u00edc odpojen\u00ed od t\u011bla \u2014 to mi p\u0159ijde nejhor\u0161\u00ed. D\u011bti ve \u0161kole po\u0159\u00e1d sed\u00ed. Kdy\u017e se cht\u011bj\u00ed prot\u00e1hnout, je to vn\u00edm\u00e1no jako ru\u0161en\u00ed. Pro u\u010ditele je to pohodln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, ale d\u011btem to bere p\u0159irozen\u00fd pohyb. T\u011blo se st\u00e1v\u00e1 pasivn\u00ed, a t\u00edm trp\u00ed i psychika.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Z toho d\u011bti mohou za\u017e\u00edvat pocit frustrace, bezmoci, apatie. Maj\u00ed pocit, \u017ee na nich nez\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed, \u017ee v\u0161echno \u0159\u00edd\u00ed n\u011bkdo jin\u00fd \u2014 autorita, syst\u00e9m, pen\u00edze. A pak se chyt\u00ed \u201ecinkrl\u00e1tek\u201c, v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 slibuj\u00ed \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed, ale nep\u0159inesou ho. Proto\u017ee se ztr\u00e1c\u00ed sami sob\u011b, ztr\u00e1c\u00ed kontakt se sebou, sv\u00fdm vnit\u0159n\u00edm sv\u011btem. <\/strong>A p\u0159itom pr\u00e1v\u011b kontakt se sebou, s t\u011blem, vn\u00edm\u00e1n\u00edm, je z\u00e1kladn\u00ed podm\u00ednka svobody. Ale bez svobody nem\u016f\u017eeme b\u00fdt tvo\u0159iv\u00ed, autenti\u010dt\u00ed, \u017eiv\u00ed, odpov\u011bdn\u00ed. Proto\u017ee nev\u00edme, kdo jsme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mysl\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee je \u0161ance, \u017ee by se to n\u011bkdy zm\u011bnilo? \u017de by se Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed mohlo dostat do \u0161kol?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

T\u011b\u017eko \u0159\u00edct. Ale v\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00e1 my\u0161lenka, kter\u00e1 jednou vstoup\u00ed do sv\u011bta, nezmiz\u00ed. <\/strong>Mo\u017en\u00e1 je\u0161t\u011b nenastal \u010das, je to jen n\u011bjak\u00e9 zrnko mo\u017enosti, nov\u00e9 cesty. Ale i jedno zrnko \u2014 jeden u\u010ditel, kter\u00fd za\u010dne jinak p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161let \u2014 m\u016f\u017ee n\u011bco zm\u011bnit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

To je kr\u00e1sn\u00e1 my\u0161lenka. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee pr\u00e1v\u011b v tom je s\u00edla Dialogick\u00e9ho jedn\u00e1n\u00ed. Nen\u00ed to o v\u00fdsledku, ale o p\u0159\u00edtomnosti a o vztahu.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ano. Nejde o v\u00fdkon, ale o byt\u00ed. A to je mo\u017en\u00e1 to, co bychom pot\u0159ebovali sly\u0161et. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ptala se Hana Sr\u0161\u0148ov\u00e1, odpov\u00eddala Erika Merjav\u00e1<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pokra\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed v p\u0159\u00ed\u0161t\u00edm \u010d\u00edsle<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Pokra\u010dujeme ve spole\u010dn\u00e9m pov\u00edd\u00e1n\u00ed Hany Sr\u0161\u0148ov\u00e9 a Eriky Merjav\u00e9 u spole\u010dn\u00e9ho stolu. V z\u00e1\u0159ijov\u00e9m \u010d\u00edsle jsme se bavili o Dialogick\u00e9m jedn\u00e1n\u00ed, jakou roli v n\u011bm hraje pr\u00e1zdn\u00fd prostor, vst\u0159\u00edcn\u00e1 ve\u0159ejnost a vnit\u0159n\u00ed partner. V tomto \u010d\u00edsle v\u00e1m p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00edme pokra\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed rozhovoru, jak\u00fd m\u00e1 Dialogick\u00e9 jedn\u00e1n\u00ed re\u00e1ln\u00fd dopad na \u010dlov\u011bka. A co znamen\u00e1 hlas a slovo. HLAS A SLOVO ODKAZUJE … Read more<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"episode_type":"","audio_file":"","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"","filesize":"","filesize_raw":"","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":"","itunes_episode_number":"","itunes_title":"","itunes_season_number":"","itunes_episode_type":"","footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-3855","page","type-page","status-publish"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t